This seat came on my Pan. Apparently its an old Bates? Check out the perfect patina!! Im gonna run it just like this. Im kidding. I do like the seat pan shape, but the foam has got to go. West Eagle sells seat pan foam for this purpose, and I also have a huge buddy seat that was on my shovel I might sacrifice. We'll see. I dont have the frame yet, so I'll finish what I can while I wait. Tore the old foam and cig butts off now its ready for paint, foam and some leather. I don't have much left of the original bike I started with, so Im stoked to use this seat that rode on the old drop seat frame.